Strategies 2018
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It's that time again now that we've finally got admin attention. First things first I think we can safely rule out any changes for imperialist, perfect defence, naval commander and great combinator. All those strategies are in great shape atm. LB and DS need nerfs. RA, HW, MoS and Blitz need boosts. Everything else is up for debate. I'm just going to summarize what ideas have been put out in the past year and the discussions regarding them.
Lucky Bastard(LB):
+10 cost to infantry OR
-1 range to Infantry
These ideas came from the previous lb discussion threads. I was discussing this with witch doctor recently. I favoured the crit nerf at the time but he pointed out that people are mainly playing lb for the added range. A crit nerf of higher than -5 would be required to make any noticeable difference. The range nerf would help but i personally dont think it'll fix the lb problem. I'm favouring the inf cost change now.
There's also an alternative solution but it may be unpopular. We could reinvent the strat and move away from criticals to att/def boosts or maybe +1hp like some sort of halfway expensive ironfist. Personally i think criticals are cancerous from a competitive standpoint and because of the meta this strat has created i would argue against ever significantly boosting a strategie's crits again. I know however that some people may enjoy the higher random aspect. Opinions/ideas?
Desert Storm(DS):
-1 def to helis
The latter idea came from tact. I prefer it as it's the infantry strats that are struggling vs ds. A direct heli def nerf just weakens that strat where it is already weak. At the moment it is a very specific niche which ds is dominating. Everywhere else it ranges from bad-average.
Master of Stealth:
-10 cost to infantry.
Open to ideas here. An mos boost is long overdue. It used to dominate 50k games but that changes with the rise of lb. People often exaggerate its world game power but competent players who know how to ferret out marine maneuvers shut the strat down. I'd like to see it made semi viable on mid range fund tiers like sky menace. I've 800 duels to my name and I've seen others use it maybe 5 times? We need to brainstorm some ideas here. I'm not sold on the inf att/def change anymore but we can try it if people want.
Guerilla Warfare(GW):
Restore naval transport cost to 220
Blitzkrieg:
+1 range to all units
The idea is to improve upon the strats unique playstyle as a counter to defensive players.
Iron fist(IF):
+1 range to militia.
This was suggested 5 years ago but not implemented as it was too controversial. Almost all the strategies have been boosted since then and now iron fist finds itself in competition with lb. This will give the strat the ability to use its militia to wall.
Hybrid Warfare(HW):
+1 air transport capacity.
A suggestion from Don. I'm not a big hw player so I'm unsure where to go with this strat and i didn't find any discussion on boosts. Also i think it's time the sp purchase cost was reduced.
Sky Menace(HW):
+2 crit to infantry
I personally am not sure if this strat needs a boost but many people are asking for 1. It definitely has fallen off in terms of popularity but I am not convinced this is due to strength. Feel free to throw out other suggestions.
Relentless Attack:
+1 range to infantry AND +1 att+range to militia
RA isnt bad in its current form but ds does what it tries to do better. RA however is a cheaper alternative and can be scary in certain situations. The ability to contest expansions t1 is essential in this meta so imo the inf boost is needed. Perhaps something else too. Ideas?
Great Combinator:
+1 def to inf vs tanks
Destroyers: -3 def +1hp -20 cost
Submarines: -3 att +2 def -20 cost
Discuss and i'll update the thread accordingly!
NERFS
Lucky Bastard(LB):
+10 cost to infantry OR
-1 range to Infantry
These ideas came from the previous lb discussion threads. I was discussing this with witch doctor recently. I favoured the crit nerf at the time but he pointed out that people are mainly playing lb for the added range. A crit nerf of higher than -5 would be required to make any noticeable difference. The range nerf would help but i personally dont think it'll fix the lb problem. I'm favouring the inf cost change now.
There's also an alternative solution but it may be unpopular. We could reinvent the strat and move away from criticals to att/def boosts or maybe +1hp like some sort of halfway expensive ironfist. Personally i think criticals are cancerous from a competitive standpoint and because of the meta this strat has created i would argue against ever significantly boosting a strategie's crits again. I know however that some people may enjoy the higher random aspect. Opinions/ideas?
Desert Storm(DS):
-1 def to helis
The latter idea came from tact. I prefer it as it's the infantry strats that are struggling vs ds. A direct heli def nerf just weakens that strat where it is already weak. At the moment it is a very specific niche which ds is dominating. Everywhere else it ranges from bad-average.
BOOSTS
Master of Stealth:
-10 cost to infantry.
Open to ideas here. An mos boost is long overdue. It used to dominate 50k games but that changes with the rise of lb. People often exaggerate its world game power but competent players who know how to ferret out marine maneuvers shut the strat down. I'd like to see it made semi viable on mid range fund tiers like sky menace. I've 800 duels to my name and I've seen others use it maybe 5 times? We need to brainstorm some ideas here. I'm not sold on the inf att/def change anymore but we can try it if people want.
Guerilla Warfare(GW):
Restore naval transport cost to 220
Blitzkrieg:
+1 range to all units
The idea is to improve upon the strats unique playstyle as a counter to defensive players.
Iron fist(IF):
+1 range to militia.
This was suggested 5 years ago but not implemented as it was too controversial. Almost all the strategies have been boosted since then and now iron fist finds itself in competition with lb. This will give the strat the ability to use its militia to wall.
Hybrid Warfare(HW):
+1 air transport capacity.
A suggestion from Don. I'm not a big hw player so I'm unsure where to go with this strat and i didn't find any discussion on boosts. Also i think it's time the sp purchase cost was reduced.
Sky Menace(HW):
+2 crit to infantry
I personally am not sure if this strat needs a boost but many people are asking for 1. It definitely has fallen off in terms of popularity but I am not convinced this is due to strength. Feel free to throw out other suggestions.
Relentless Attack:
+1 range to infantry AND +1 att+range to militia
RA isnt bad in its current form but ds does what it tries to do better. RA however is a cheaper alternative and can be scary in certain situations. The ability to contest expansions t1 is essential in this meta so imo the inf boost is needed. Perhaps something else too. Ideas?
Great Combinator:
+1 def to inf vs tanks
Destroyers: -3 def +1hp -20 cost
Submarines: -3 att +2 def -20 cost
Discuss and i'll update the thread accordingly!
will new strats be part of the agenda or just boosts and nerfs atm?
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They will. We'll probably split Boosts and Nerfs in two steps seeing that Steve's post have some support.
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No thanks. Steve's post received only 6 upvotes(including yours) and 3 of which were made by players who do not play anymore. I'm more interested in players who actually play, contribute and who actually give a damn about the game. Also if we were to take this approach it would make sense to do the nerfs first. The ds heli def nerf and lb inf range seem the most likely to be applied. These will have almost no effect on the current meta and I for one am not keen on waiting another year while you find excuses not to apply the rest of the changes.
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I'll gather the supported changes into a conclusion post tonight when i've time. In the meantime feel free to throw out more hw change suggestions. The only viable change ive found is dons at capacity boost. We can do that but surely people have more ideas.
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sm +1 inf atk plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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how about 20 cost milita?
---- ''Everywhere where i am absent, they commit nothing but follies'' ~Napoleon 
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We could try that. Hw is such a jack of all trades strat master of none. Let the hw players pick. Higher cap ats or cheaper militia.
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Ok heres the updates: I'll add them to the op once theyre all agreed on. I added the suggestion by nic and critical to remove gw naval trans nerfs. It would fix that water map weakness gw has and improve it's viability on the low fund settings which imp is currently dominating hard. I've also added a boost to gc to keep it relevant with the powerful lb and ironfist. Anyone who disagrees it isnt needed i suggest you do some tests of lb and ironfist tanks vs gc infantry. I may post some screenshots of that myself. I think it's debatable whether a marine def bonus is needed for gc too but the tank 1 is definitely needed. Iron fist(IF): +1 range to militia. Lucky Bastard(LB): -1 range to Infantry Desert Storm(DS): -1 def to helis Master of Stealth: -10 cost to infantry. Guerilla Warfare(GW): remove naval trans cost+range nerfs and restore it to 220. Blitzkrieg: +1 range to all units Hybrid Warfare(HW): +1 air transport capacity or -10 cost to militia Sky Menace(HW): +2 crit to infantry Relentless Attack: +1 range to infantry AND +1 att+range to militia Great Combinator: +1 def to infantry vs tanks
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I disagree with changes to GW, HW, GC, MOS, and SM. Whatever the case, a single test result is worth a thousand expert opinions. Just go through with the changes and see what happens.
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I like everything besides the GW idea, with this buff it may just be too cost efficient in expanding and since trans range also returns to normal it can expand pretty fast. Looking forward to buffed RA and GC we can see how they hold up to IF and LB, i think like this all 4 strats would be more or less equal, and none of them will get picked to have a clear edge over the other in their fields.
---- ''Everywhere where i am absent, they commit nothing but follies'' ~Napoleon
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I agree with WD. Maybe we can play it with the boosts on the test server before proceeding to step 2
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DON'T NERF LB RANGE NERF ITS CRIT WTF DONT BUFF RA +1 AT CAP FOR HW LOWER INF COST OR +1 ATK INF FOR SM PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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I have an alternate proposal for GC. How about instead of +1 def to inf or tanks, you have the following Destroyers: -3 def +1hp -20 cost Submarines: -3 att +2 def -20 cost This way you have to use a combination of naval units too. It'll also make gc a little more interesting to play. Destroyers will be the equivalent of the tanks while submarines will be the equivalent of the infantry. Submarines will have 9 def vs destroyers and 8 def vs infantry and bombers so it will take the role of defending.
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sounds too complicated its not even a +1 def for infs its just +1 against tanks its a minor buff
---- ''Everywhere where i am absent, they commit nothing but follies'' ~Napoleon
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How is it complicated, it's basically great combinator but with naval units.
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Destroyers are just in a bad place, especially with the whole stack bonus being crazy. Costs for destroyers are way too high. I have reduced the cost of destroyers on my map by 20. NC destroyers are 150$ and still NC is not a beast despite all the port cities and water surrounding many countries. I just end up stacking militia and infantry instead of going for Destroyers.
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I think MoS needs a Stealth nerf. The -30 cost upgrade wasn't supported by the community and just leads to spamming stealth instead of marines+submarines in lategame. Reduce the cost reduction upgrade to -10/-20 from -30.
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You've never played NC germany with a Full Scandi vs UK
---- Lest we forget Moja Bosna Ponosna
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nc germany sucks ass
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You're just not good enough to play it
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Please for the love of everything good dont give +1 militia range to IF.. its been stronk without that range for years, why change it to make it OP? I mean IF is already quite overpowering, why make it stronger?
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You make a good point. Maybe before we screw around with strats again, why not get the Buildings rolled out? There can be new strats and/or new units and/or changes to existing strats that incorporate the Buildings and their effects on the game. That's a much bigger expansion of the meta for generating interest rather than a +1 here and a -1 there, etc.
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Just a general question, do people what these changes just because of how duels are being played nowadays? If so, changing the strats will have consequences on players who play scenarios. Though some of these changes are small, a slight buff or nerf can make senariors extremely unbalanced and force map makers to rework their maps to workaround the balance changes. Also, seeing the opinions posted about the slight change of strats, for example, adding extra crit to inf when someone goes SM, the point of those strats is to focus a large majority of your army around your strat. People don't go SM because they want a good, infantry ground force. Strats should be solely focused on specific play style and army composition. Going back to SM, your focus is on the sky, not inf. Yes you can start with infantry and you can make them for a basic, powerful defense unit, but you have chosen to opt for a strong air army. What should be done is additional changes to the air army, not to ground units. This approach should be taken with other nerfs and buffs to strategies.
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Sm currently has the worst infantry of any strat that relies on infantry. I can see the reason behind the buff.
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It currently has a -2D to stealth bomber, but that's it. With DS, the nerf is just -1D and adds +1D against Air: Secondary Attack.
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Agree: HW (+1 Air Transport capacity), SM, GC Disagree: IF, LB, DS, MoS (no changes needed) No opinion (never use them): Blitz, RA Confusion: GW - what do you mean, just leave Naval Transports alone with a cost of 220? I thought people were complaining that GW is too buff!?! The logistics boost provided by that suggestion (if I'm understanding it correctly), is HUGE!! That is such a massive change... I'd recommend picking the range or the cost, but not both!!
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