[Historical] 100th Anniversary of the Communist Revolution,saddest day

I'm sorry this is a rant specifically to tantrum commie lovers (aka utopian autists), but I hate Communism and Communists with a passion (both ideologically and personally cuz family) and I couldn't feel more infuriated with people praising the anniversary and actually celebrating it. History was written by the victors, as Churchill once said, which mantained Communist a "mainstream" and "allowed" ideology when it's nothing more than a putrid, utopian interest-serving-of-the-few ideology based on cancerous utopia that led to millions and millions of deaths and geopolitical problems that affect us today or hugely affected the world and its balance.
We should worldwide ban Communism and look at the examples of the failed regimes of Venezuela and the Kampuchea in Cambodia as examples of a failed ideology who brought nothing more than distress and conflict, considering it based itself on conflict between populational sectors (which isn't entirely wrong) as a way to change economic means of production (Slavery, Feudalism, Colonialism, etc..)

Tito, if you're reading this and if by any chance you didn't quit atwar yet, this was a specific rant for saudosists like you.


(Ilegalize Communism, if you ilegalized Fascism)

I could go on with the reasons that sustain my rant and dislike for communism but cba, I wanna see Tito cry first

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"History is written by victors". i do not agree with that unrealiable statement.

But yup. on old world when education to discpline and hardwork was the most important thing communism worked nicely on small scale (village all over the world). but when it came to large responsabilities it had to take rights and allowed to bad people to hijack it. problem was that unlike democracy it was impossible to oppose and protest against government and evidently utter idiots ran big powers. in our modern times communism is utterly irrelevant. people must get rewards for their skill. get competitive (not equal) education and resources and aware the flaws of ideiological system.

Another reason it's irrelevant is because democracies learned to adapt socialist principles - lot of countries provide free education and free health. and with modern economy you don't need to give your government all your prohpecy and liberties to get those. that is in my opinion the main reason for why in the past people were willing to follow autists like sheeps for better opportunities (life were entirely despearte) and nowdays all is left of the communist legacy is chaotic anarchists.

Написано от Rock Lee, 07.11.2017 at 17:00

"History is written by victors". i do not agree with that unrealiable statement.

nowdays all is left of the communist legacy is chaotic anarchists.

Tbh, look at the Portuguese Communist Party, they have had the same political motto of promising a patriotic leftist policy and they've been intellectually degenerating

Написано от Rock Lee, 07.11.2017 at 17:00

"History is written by victors". i do not agree with that unrealiable statement.

It's true, though

I am against the revolution and bolsheviks, since i am christian and they killed them and promoted state atheism. Sorry to disappoint you.

I like communism as means to keep the country together in this fucked up world of 50% low iq people. Like China. I don't care if laws and policies enacted are left or right in someones opinion, if they work, then why change it.

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Historically looking, Soviet Union was decent experiment, giving us alot of information and insight. Even helped some countries get richer because it prevented capitalist globalism (west had to trade with it self and couldn't offshore its production, which mean they kept their jobs). Now jobs are offshores, wages stagnate, unrest is widespread, third world migrants spreading, and Russia is playing American game of meddling, hybrid warfare and hacking (not elections...), so USA don't feel alone.

Welcome to 2017, where frontline is brought to your living room and city center. Hope you enjoy it. Whoever is the last standing, please switch off the light and close the door on your way out.

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Написано от Al Fappino, 07.11.2017 at 17:25

"History is written by victors". i do not agree with that unrealiable statement.

It's true, though

It's not. It's just idiotic statement that demagogues use to promote their agenda. History is individual because people desicions to look at it. some choose to look at it as academic profession with methods and principles to understand what is likely and what is not. some people just spread their perspective of history to promote their agenda even though they don't really believe it. the rest just believe the kind of history that matches/suits what they know and what they believe in. furthemore in the age of the internet governments of the winning side can not lie more than they can counter against arguments of people who hear what the outside world says.

There are all over the world people whos their country got defeated by the west and yet preserve and spread anti western biased history. the only way to assure the "history belongs to the victors" statement is to kill all the people of the loser side and make sure no one else will preserve that kind of history. otherwise history is individual.

Написано от Rock Lee, 07.11.2017 at 17:53

stop asking questions and accept the narrative goyim

Написано от Viruslegion, 07.11.2017 at 18:21

Написано от Rock Lee, 07.11.2017 at 17:53

stop asking questions and accept the narrative goyim

I said that it's impossible to win history as victors. it does'nt have anything to do with supporting mainstream. we would'nt be there if you knew me better

Написано от Al Fappino, 07.11.2017 at 16:46

brought nothing more than distress and conflict

Cuba

Sad..

Happy Anniversary!!!!!

Написано от Oleg, 08.11.2017 at 14:09

Happy Anniversary!!!!!

Написано от Skanderbeg, 07.11.2017 at 17:34

Historically looking, Soviet Union was decent experiment, giving us alot of information and insight. Even helped some countries get richer because it prevented capitalist globalism (west had to trade with it self and couldn't offshore its production, which mean they kept their jobs). Now jobs are offshores, wages stagnate, unrest is widespread, third world migrants spreading, and Russia is playing American game of meddling, hybrid warfare and hacking (not elections...), so USA don't feel alone.

Welcome to 2017, where frontline is brought to your living room and city center. Hope you enjoy it. Whoever is the last standing, please switch off the light and close the door on your way out.

I expecting a more vivid response from you, the core of my "rant" is that Communism should be an illegalized ideology for the crimes committed and the millions of deaths it caused (don't deny them, it's a simple fact xd). The saddest part about it is that it's an utopia that based on the human being nature, as an animal who lives in groups and the fact that groups of human beings (societies 'grosso modo') organize themselves between functions and positions, it's something that is deep within the Human nature, just like the need for Law based on the principles of freedom and autonomy and responsability.

I was just sent this article, suggest everyone to give it a read.

https://mises.org/wire/disaster-red-hundredth-anniversary-russian-socialist-revolution

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Написано от Rock Lee, 07.11.2017 at 17:53

Написано от Al Fappino, 07.11.2017 at 17:25

"History is written by victors". i do not agree with that unrealiable statement.

It's true, though

It's not. It's just idiotic statement that demagogues use to promote their agenda. History is individual because people desicions to look at it. some choose to look at it as academic profession with methods and principles to understand what is likely and what is not. some people just spread their perspective of history to promote their agenda even though they don't really believe it. the rest just believe the kind of history that matches/suits what they know and what they believe in. furthemore in the age of the internet governments of the winning side can not lie more than they can counter against arguments of people who hear what the outside world says.

There are all over the world people whos their country got defeated by the west and yet preserve and spread anti western biased history. the only way to assure the "history belongs to the victors" statement is to kill all the people of the loser side and make sure no one else will preserve that kind of history. otherwise history is individual.

You dodged the meaning of my quote of Winston Churchill. I feel the need to contextualize the quote and connect it with the bulk of this rant (Communism). This quote was pronounced amid WW2, which had an open conflict between two extremist and totalitarian antagonistic ideologies: Communism (Stalinism variant but meh) and Nazism (or nazifascism if u wanna call it that way).
Both ideologies and totalitarian regimes are brutal in their own way, whether by trying to exterminate people based on their religion and race whether by declaring an open war on religion and political opposition (both did this ofc). Both took ideological fanaticism to an extreme. Stalinistic Communism was as brutal as Nazism, as relentless and as unpredictable and unstable as Nazism was. Yet, due to the role of the counter-response to Barbarossa and the consequent defeat of Germany majorly by Soviet forces, Nazism and Fascism were ilegalized and heavily seen with a very negative conotation, forced upon also by the Communist.
If the war had gone the other way, imagine Communist Russia was the agressor of WW2 and Germany was in the allies fighting the rogue Commie state. What ideology do you think would be ilegalized after the war? (Ofc I'm supposing things quite a lot but it's not that much far fetched to think communism persisted as a legalized ideology for its role and weight it had in the defeat of Fascism and Nazism).

Написано от Rock Lee, 07.11.2017 at 18:45

Написано от Viruslegion, 07.11.2017 at 18:21

Написано от Rock Lee, 07.11.2017 at 17:53

stop asking questions and accept the narrative goyim

I said that it's impossible to win history as victors. it does'nt have anything to do with supporting mainstream. we would'nt be there if you knew me better

Victors can twist History to a large degree that it affects the general view of things. In Russia there's the big dillema of discussing the October Revolution because of bias of talking about it. So tourist companies are the ones who make an effort to be unbiased towards tourists lolz

Написано от Al Fappino, 08.11.2017 at 16:00

I expecting a more vivid response from you, the core of my "rant" is that Communism should be an illegalized ideology for the crimes committed and the millions of deaths it caused (don't deny them, it's a simple fact xd). The saddest part about it is that it's an utopia that based on the human being nature, as an animal who lives in groups and the fact that groups of human beings (societies 'grosso modo') organize themselves between functions and positions, it's something that is deep within the Human nature, just like the need for Law based on the principles of freedom and autonomy and responsability.

I was just sent this article, suggest everyone to give it a read.

https://mises.org/wire/disaster-red-hundredth-anniversary-russian-socialist-revolution

As i said, sorry to disappoint you. I can't fullfill the role of image you have in your mind.

Take your history class easier, you just started and already developing philosophy out of first few subjects, let the lessons come at steady pace.

No one stops you from criminalizing communism. Poland, Ukraine and Baltic already banned it.

Написано от Oleg, 08.11.2017 at 14:09

Happy Anniversary!!!!!

Написано от Skanderbeg, 08.11.2017 at 19:14

No one stops you from criminalizing communism. Poland, Ukraine and Baltic already banned it.

It's not about him.
He may want to criminalize communism, as every normal person would, but he can change nothing while 'ex'-communist criminals are sitting in parliament(s) as members of many various parties, even the right ones, as it is situation in Croatia.
There were 3 stages:
1. In Yugoslavia (before '90s) - many, maybe even majority, of them were members of the alliance of Yugoslav communists.
2. During and after the Croatian Independence War ('90s) - majority of them suddenly went in the coservative, right wing parties (mostly in HDZ)
3. After the independence (2000 - now) - they've made hundreds of parties, left and right ones, some are liberals, some are conservatives, but they are still the same set of people who are just being on the side which is desirable for the current times.

Majority of parliament are ex-communist nuts with looooong roots (independently of which party they are members, they were all together before the war and even in war), so the majority of them are against lustration which was conducted in Poland, Ukraine and Baltics.
There were several tries in Croatia to do a lustration.
- HSP (extreme right wing party) tried to do it at the end of '90s, but their proposal was denied.
- Few years ago, people signed tens of thousands signs to start a referendum about lustration, no one of 'ruling' ones took it seriously knowing that referendum is forcing them out from politics from which they live like lords. 'Normal' people barely can do anything about it if they doesn't have strong support from any part of parliament.

No one ever looks at that Poland.... They've done lustration, banned all rooted communist politicians and managed to
experience economic boom and brutal growth and development.




roots, bloody roots...

Написано от Rock Lee, 07.11.2017 at 17:53

It's not. It's just idiotic statement that demagogues use to promote their agenda.

Nah. Denying that history is written by the victors is a classic modern pseudointellectual trend that edgelord contrarians like to preach to seem cool.

History is filled with thousand of cases, i dont have time atm to elaborate but we can start with the old testament where Jews wiped out all their neighborhood tribes and enslaved their women but were considered noble and righteous, same thing happened with the rapist murderous psychopath named Muhammad and the Islamic conquest, the Vandals who were less barbaric than most empires of the time and actually preserved Roman culture, the Byzantines who massacred hundreds of thousand Greek pagans and razed all ancient greek temples to ww2 where nazism is villified as opposed to communism who killed 200 million more and Hitler who is demonized for killing 6 million jews when Churchil was equally racist and also killed 4 million Indians but is considered a hero. American history is filled with the same shit and modern history moreso, the usual mainstream media narrative is almost always biased and factually twisted.

Написано от Khal.eesi, 09.11.2017 at 05:11

Написано от Rock Lee, 07.11.2017 at 17:53

It's not. It's just idiotic statement that demagogues use to promote their agenda.

Nah. Denying that history is written by the victors is a classic modern pseudointellectual trend that edgelord contrarians like to preach to seem cool.

History is filled with thousand of cases, i dont have time atm to elaborate but we can start with the old testament where Jews wiped out all their neighborhood tribes and enslaved their women but were considered noble and righteous, same thing happened with the rapist murderous psychopath named Muhammad and the Islamic conquest, the Vandals who were less barbaric than most empires of the time and actually preserved Roman culture, the Byzantines who massacred hundreds of thousand Greek pagans and razed all ancient greek temples to ww2 where nazism is villified as opposed to communism who killed 200 million more and Hitler who is demonized for killing 6 million jews when Churchil was equally racist and also killed 4 million Indians but is considered a hero. American history is filled with the same shit and modern history moreso, the usual mainstream media narrative is almost always biased and factually twisted.

I am on phone right now will comment tomorrow

Написано от boywind2, 09.11.2017 at 08:12

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Написано от Khal.eesi, 09.11.2017 at 05:11

Написано от Rock Lee, 07.11.2017 at 17:53

It's not. It's just idiotic statement that demagogues use to promote their agenda.

Nah. Denying that history is written by the victors is a classic modern pseudointellectual trend that edgelord contrarians like to preach to seem cool.

History is filled with thousand of cases, i dont have time atm to elaborate but we can start with the old testament where Jews wiped out all their neighborhood tribes and enslaved their women but were considered noble and righteous, same thing happened with the rapist murderous psychopath named Muhammad and the Islamic conquest, the Vandals who were less barbaric than most empires of the time and actually preserved Roman culture, the Byzantines who massacred hundreds of thousand Greek pagans and razed all ancient greek temples to ww2 where nazism is villified as opposed to communism who killed 200 million more and Hitler who is demonized for killing 6 million jews when Churchil was equally racist and also killed 4 million Indians but is considered a hero. American history is filled with the same shit and modern history moreso, the usual mainstream media narrative is almost always biased and factually twisted.

Написано от Khal.eesi, 09.11.2017 at 05:11

same thing happened with the rapist murderous psychopath named Muhammad and the Islamic conquest

Trump won the elections, why haven't he rewrite the history to make himself less hated than he is atm.

Flawed logic from either side...

As usual you're all wrong. Making a distinction between academic history and popular history is important, because actual historians will often go to great lengths to give the losers a fair shake. The popular imagination usually isn't as concerned with such details, although that's not always the case; sometimes you get books like Zinn's People's History that break the mainstream. For every example of historical winners being glorified there is an example of the opposite. Popularly you could say the Confederacy or Native Americans are groups that get idealized.

Of course there is some truth to the saying in that everybody has heard of or read the Declaration of Independence but how many have even heard of Hutchinson's Strictures on the Declaration? Didn't think so. So yeah sometimes history is written by "winners" and sometimes it's written by "losers"; most often it's written by writers. For example the Mongols won basically every battle they ever fought and they get slated by historical primary documents because most of what we have is written by the Chinese. And they didn't like how much they were losing.

As for the Russian Revolution, it is a very sad day indeed. People often forget that the Bolsheviks did not overthrow the monarchy; Tsar Nicholas 2 had already abdicated in the February Revolution months before, and Russia had a provisional government led by Kerensky. Obviously it's counterfactual history but there's good reason to think we might have avoided the most ghastly parts of authoritarian Lenin/Stalinism had these antidemocratic Reds failed.

Написано от Acquiesce, 09.11.2017 at 14:33

As for the Russian Revolution, it is a very sad day indeed. People often forget that the Bolsheviks did not overthrow the monarchy; Tsar Nicholas 2 had already abdicated in the February Revolution months before, and Russia had a provisional government led by Kerensky.

Then who agitated factory workers to stop ammunition production? Who sabotaged railway to stop supply frontline? Who infiltrated among soldiers and spread demoralisation? Who incited masses to protest and riots?

All that led to political instability which forced Emperor to abdicate. Therefore, bolsheviks effectively overthrew the monarchy, then lost elections and started civil war.

I believe everyone know that so no need posting links here.

Написано от clovis1122, 09.11.2017 at 11:58

Написано от Khal.eesi, 09.11.2017 at 05:11

same thing happened with the rapist murderous psychopath named Muhammad and the Islamic conquest

I will assume you are trying to lump me with the rest of "the west" as being biased and hostile towards muslims in general. To do that you have to prove that my statement is not true which you cant and in fact you help me prove my point.

The little you know about Islam and Muhammad is by the book case of history written by the victors, as its filled with myths and blatant lies that muslim apologists promote nowdays in mainstream media, books and every single movie ever made, hollywood included.

All the information you need is in the Quran, Hadiths and the works of his early biographers. The stories are very interesting, Muhamad made the Quran up as he went, it started peacefull and in his last 10 years it became filled with violence and hatred. He was a thief, a robber, a murderer of men, women, children, elderly and of whole tribes, he condoned enslavement, rape and pedophilia.

Even if i wanted, i couldnt make this shit up. So next time dont try to draw false correlations and conclusions without even knowing the facts.

Написано от clovis1122, 09.11.2017 at 11:58

Trump won the elections, why haven't he rewrite the history to make himself less hated than he is atm.

Flawed logic from either side...

First of all in this case we define winners as those who have the power to influence the content, flow and availability of the information available to the general public, so in that regard Trump is CERTAINLY not a winner as the whole of mainstream media, universally i might add, are against him, so again that actually proves MY POINT

Secondly, i didnt state that history is ALWAYS written by the victors, i merely said i am aware of so many cases and actual historians probably are aware of hundreds/thousands of cases and that is proof that the concept exists.

Lastly, history is the study of the past and Trump's presidency is the present so your whole point falls quickly anyway.

Trump will be judged by history but what does that even mean? As Aqui said he will be judged fairly by the few unbiased academics but whose voices probably will never be heard outside of their circles and their books/articles will never be promoted, instead the mainstream narrative will probably be pushed to the general public, burying him with hundreds of condemning books, articles and videos.

The same thing happened with Nixon, they were all out to get him and eventually they did got him and look at what people nowdays know about him. I did Watergate and Nixon in my school and before reading on my own i had the impression he was only a paranoid, useless, crook. People only know the worst, he has become a meme, when in reality he did marvelous things, he was a brilliant politician that left behind a list of great achievements. Same and worst will happen to Trump im sure.

Where the fuck is the big banana...

Your retarded , thats like me saying how much death capitalism has cost xD

in the end its humans that due to its human nature (corrupcion , greed, etc) contaminate and destroy every kind of ideologies no matter how nice they are on paper

Like its said in the matrix humans are viruses's we are toxic .

Написано от Al Fappino, 08.11.2017 at 16:07

Написано от Khal.eesi, 10.11.2017 at 02:27

Sorry mates i know i promised to respond when i can but i arrived home and now after i readed all comment I realize if i escalate it the debate/flamewar not gonna end soon and i'm not in the mood for it right now. maybe another time, cheers.