Why aren't you vegan yet?

Написано от Witch-Doctor, 23.11.2018 at 15:33

Написано от Steve Aoki, 23.11.2018 at 12:48

Literally every plant in the world - produces oxygen which is essence to our survival.
Cow - eats grass and takes big shit that destroys ozone layer

Vegan = Increased pollution

Instead of being vegans, how about you help us in saving the Earth by killing cows you selfish pricks?
checkmate gg no re

Somebody has zero understanding of economics.

#iwasbeingsarcasticohyoumightywd
#ididitagain

Написано от Rock Lee, 23.11.2018 at 08:31

Cows diseases are too dangerous and need constant monitoring. For example aphthae epizooticae was vitally common in Britian for almost 50 years because farmers have hidden sick animels from the authorities or tried to kill them on their own so they don't execute the whole bunch around them instead of just the sick one. And that's soft one. You can't get rid of antrax even if you burn it or freeze it it will just remain in the ground until it find subscrut. Cows should either be jailed or genocided.

As for letting sheeps if we just set them free they will arrive cities and then there will be too many Albanians in the world.

i can't tell if you are being sarcastic.

Написано от Rock Lee, 23.11.2018 at 23:28

Are you aware the fact that earth capability to produce food is declining? You can't get enough appropiate land to be use utilize and swamps that were used last century as fetilizers sources are already dull at this point. Nowdays they produce fetilizers for greenhouses mainly from coconuts basalt and cows leaves. And it plays as one of the greatest contributers to air pollution and ozone depletion.

I'm not saying you should'nt be senstive about it or should'nt pity anmiel. I worked for 4 years with chickens cows and sheeps and therefore I endhavour to limit myself to fish only except in special occasions or times when I really needed energy as soldier. But one of virutes of morals is honesty and restricting ourselves so badly will force people tens of extra hours amonth to get food and nations to war for agricultural soil. So yeah caging animels is terrible thing and in clear conflict with the human necessity to preserve the sense of liberty and compassion among ourselves. But as it sounds wrong to keep eating animel because of theory or idea it is wrong to starve ourselves or leave other humans without nothing due to intuation.

a big reason for crop demand is from dietary meat consumption. there is tremendous growth in farm animal populations which expedites climate change. why is it wrong to slow down on meat consumption and slowing down climate change?

why would going vegan or vegetarian force people tens of extra hours a month to get food?

how do you know that nations would go to war for agricultural soil?

i'm don't understand what you're talking about when you say "But as it sounds wrong to keep eating animel because of theory or idea it is wrong to starve ourselves or leave other humans without nothing due to intuation."

Написано от Steve Aoki, 23.11.2018 at 23:45

Написано от Witch-Doctor, 23.11.2018 at 15:33

Написано от Steve Aoki, 23.11.2018 at 12:48

Literally every plant in the world - produces oxygen which is essence to our survival.
Cow - eats grass and takes big shit that destroys ozone layer

Vegan = Increased pollution

Instead of being vegans, how about you help us in saving the Earth by killing cows you selfish pricks?
checkmate gg no re

Somebody has zero understanding of economics.

#iwasbeingsarcasticohyoumightywd
#ididitagain

#Ireallygottriggerednonotreally

Написано от boywind2, 24.11.2018 at 01:56

a big reason for crop demand is from dietary meat consumption. there is tremendous growth in farm animal populations which expedites climate change. why is it wrong to slow down on meat consumption and slowing down climate change?

why would going vegan or vegetarian force people tens of extra hours a month to get food?

how do you know that nations would go to war for agricultural soil?

i'm don't understand what you're talking about when you say "But as it sounds wrong to keep eating animel because of theory or idea it is wrong to starve ourselves or leave other humans without nothing due to intuation."

If anything I say is not clear because of my English please let me know to make sure you get my point. Cow's digestive system is far more efficient than ours. Which means they can eat virtually anything and make a virtue of it duly so they are being fed with everything human would get rid of - chicken trash, factories undesireable residues weeds and at some cases even corpses. Cows do consume crop in three conditions 1) pathetic amount for males 2) mid food (combitnation of industrial trash and corp) for cows that are producing milk 3) high amount of crop (not in relation to human consumptiom) and small amount of thrash to cows in pregreant. And yet they consume absurdicly low amount of crop per capita and if one day we would have to replace the milk and the meat they produce in our corp we would have to produce way more of it and run out of good soil to grow it (Let me remind you that overused soil corrupts itself and takes great deal of money and time to purify. Especially due to the fact it will make water far more expensive). So eventually there will be less food and water for people. Do you understand how is it related to wars and corrupting the world with greenhouses?

Also just for the record mid food is not only used to save resources but also to make sure cows gain mass

Написано от boywind2, 24.11.2018 at 01:56

i can't tell if you are being sarcastic.

Yes my first comment was sarcastic and I was just trying to tease CE for something he said couple of months ago. Anyways I try to to reduce my consumption from animels but I don't believe in complete veganity.

Steve is vegan.

Написано от Rock Lee, 24.11.2018 at 04:45

If anything I say is not clear because of my English please let me know to make sure you get my point. Cow's digestive system is far more efficient than ours. Which means they can eat virtually anything and make a virtue of it duly so they are being fed with everything human would get rid of - chicken trash, factories undesireable residues weeds and at some cases even corpses. Cows do consume crop in three conditions 1) pathetic amount for males 2) mid food (combitnation of industrial trash and corp) for cows that are producing milk 3) high amount of crop (not in relation to human consumptiom) and small amount of thrash to cows in pregreant. And yet they consume absurdicly low amount of crop per capita and if one day we would have to replace the milk and the meat they produce in our corp we would have to produce way more of it and run out of good soil to grow it (Let me remind you that overused soil corrupts itself and takes great deal of money and time to purify. Especially due to the fact it will make water far more expensive). So eventually there will be less food and water for people. Do you understand how is it related to wars and corrupting the world with greenhouses?

i think you are understating how much of our crops are raised to feed livestock. i'm fairly certain that 40 to 50 percent of the crop we grow go to livestock. because of this, i can't agree with you on any of your points. there are numerous studies and data that show livestock takes up more agricultural land than it gives out food. could you give me a credible source that says live stock consume low amount of crop per capita?

i think you are very quick to assume these doomsday scenarios.

Написано от Oleg, 24.11.2018 at 05:19

Steve is vegan.

A vegan Serb. Rarer than a unicorn D

Написано от Acquiesce, 23.11.2018 at 10:41

Написано от Guest, 23.11.2018 at 10:06

Fuck u boywind

FAKE

The only argument people have for eating meat is that they don't want to sacrifice their luxuries.
The food chain doesn't apply to species who have developed consciousness. A lion doesn't know that killing the deer is wrong (he also really needs it to survive, because he doesn't know how to grow plants).
Humans consciously industrialize the slaughter of animals, knowing that it is morally wrong. Once more they're utterly defenceless, so the people demanding meat are also cowards.
I've been a vegetarian since I was 4 years old, and I'm in very good shape. Meat is not a necessity in your diet. Practice > theory.

Написано от Wheelo, 24.11.2018 at 10:35

The only argument people have for eating meat is that they don't want to sacrifice their luxuries.
The food chain doesn't apply to species who have developed consciousness. A lion doesn't know that killing the deer is wrong (he also really needs it to survive, because he doesn't know how to grow plants).
Humans consciously industrialize the slaughter of animals, knowing that it is morally wrong. Once more they're utterly defenceless, so the people demanding meat are also cowards.
I've been a vegetarian since I was 4 years old, and I'm in very good shape. Meat is not a necessity in your diet. Practice > theory.

have you tested your blood yet & and are you taking any supplements for the vitamins and minerals you arent getting from meat.

Написано от 4nic, 24.11.2018 at 12:58

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No, I'm looking at certain supplements tho for muscle gain.

I like to smell my farts.

Написано от 4nic, 24.11.2018 at 12:58

Написано от Wheelo, 24.11.2018 at 10:35

The only argument people have for eating meat is that they don't want to sacrifice their luxuries.
The food chain doesn't apply to species who have developed consciousness. A lion doesn't know that killing the deer is wrong (he also really needs it to survive, because he doesn't know how to grow plants).
Humans consciously industrialize the slaughter of animals, knowing that it is morally wrong. Once more they're utterly defenceless, so the people demanding meat are also cowards.
I've been a vegetarian since I was 4 years old, and I'm in very good shape. Meat is not a necessity in your diet. Practice > theory.

have you tested your blood yet & and are you taking any supplements for the vitamins and minerals you arent getting from meat.

The only vitamin that vegans will not be able to get is b12

Написано от boywind2, 24.11.2018 at 17:48

Написано от 4nic, 24.11.2018 at 12:58

Написано от Wheelo, 24.11.2018 at 10:35

The only argument people have for eating meat is that they don't want to sacrifice their luxuries.
The food chain doesn't apply to species who have developed consciousness. A lion doesn't know that killing the deer is wrong (he also really needs it to survive, because he doesn't know how to grow plants).
Humans consciously industrialize the slaughter of animals, knowing that it is morally wrong. Once more they're utterly defenceless, so the people demanding meat are also cowards.
I've been a vegetarian since I was 4 years old, and I'm in very good shape. Meat is not a necessity in your diet. Practice > theory.

have you tested your blood yet & and are you taking any supplements for the vitamins and minerals you arent getting from meat.

The only vitamin that vegans will not be able to get is b12

Not true, I am chemist with pretty good knowledge of biochemistry.
And when you say ,,only", it is again not valid statement, since deficiency of b12 is dangerous...

Написано от Steve Aoki, 24.11.2018 at 07:05

Написано от Oleg, 24.11.2018 at 05:19

Steve is vegan.

A vegan Serb. Rarer than a unicorn D

Steve is a unicorn.

Написано от Oleg, 24.11.2018 at 18:34

Написано от boywind2, 24.11.2018 at 17:48

Написано от 4nic, 24.11.2018 at 12:58

Написано от Wheelo, 24.11.2018 at 10:35

The only argument people have for eating meat is that they don't want to sacrifice their luxuries.
The food chain doesn't apply to species who have developed consciousness. A lion doesn't know that killing the deer is wrong (he also really needs it to survive, because he doesn't know how to grow plants).
Humans consciously industrialize the slaughter of animals, knowing that it is morally wrong. Once more they're utterly defenceless, so the people demanding meat are also cowards.
I've been a vegetarian since I was 4 years old, and I'm in very good shape. Meat is not a necessity in your diet. Practice > theory.

have you tested your blood yet & and are you taking any supplements for the vitamins and minerals you arent getting from meat.

The only vitamin that vegans will not be able to get is b12

Not true, I am chemist with pretty good knowledge of biochemistry.
And when you say ,,only", it is again not valid statement, since deficiency of b12 is dangerous...

that's why vegans take b12 shots or use an oral spray. it's not that big of a deal.

Написано от boywind2, 24.11.2018 at 17:48

Написано от 4nic, 24.11.2018 at 12:58

Написано от Wheelo, 24.11.2018 at 10:35

The only argument people have for eating meat is that they don't want to sacrifice their luxuries.
The food chain doesn't apply to species who have developed consciousness. A lion doesn't know that killing the deer is wrong (he also really needs it to survive, because he doesn't know how to grow plants).
Humans consciously industrialize the slaughter of animals, knowing that it is morally wrong. Once more they're utterly defenceless, so the people demanding meat are also cowards.
I've been a vegetarian since I was 4 years old, and I'm in very good shape. Meat is not a necessity in your diet. Practice > theory.

have you tested your blood yet & and are you taking any supplements for the vitamins and minerals you arent getting from meat.

The only vitamin that vegans will not be able to get is b12

Vegans also get much less protein in their diet, while its in abundance in meat and dairy products. The only vegan product that has protein is soybeans
and good luck chugging too much soybeans in your diet its not gonna end well.

Also you should realise b12 is super important, and when people get b12 deficiency from going vegan and not taking supplements they start to serious get mental and cognitive issues, most commonly they get 1st stage dementia and early onset psychosis, and its more common then youd think.

Legit i dont see any beneficial reason why a person would go vegan except for the whole ''murder unhumane killing'' narrative which is not a good enough reason imo.

Написано от Wheelo, 24.11.2018 at 15:09

Написано от 4nic, 24.11.2018 at 12:58

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No, I'm looking at certain supplements tho for muscle gain.

the ultimate muscle building compound is protein, and its in abundance in meat and dairy.

Написано от 4nic, 25.11.2018 at 02:34

Написано от boywind2, 24.11.2018 at 17:48

Написано от 4nic, 24.11.2018 at 12:58

Написано от Wheelo, 24.11.2018 at 10:35

The only argument people have for eating meat is that they don't want to sacrifice their luxuries.
The food chain doesn't apply to species who have developed consciousness. A lion doesn't know that killing the deer is wrong (he also really needs it to survive, because he doesn't know how to grow plants).
Humans consciously industrialize the slaughter of animals, knowing that it is morally wrong. Once more they're utterly defenceless, so the people demanding meat are also cowards.
I've been a vegetarian since I was 4 years old, and I'm in very good shape. Meat is not a necessity in your diet. Practice > theory.

have you tested your blood yet & and are you taking any supplements for the vitamins and minerals you arent getting from meat.

The only vitamin that vegans will not be able to get is b12

Vegans also get much less protein in their diet, while its in abundance in meat and dairy products. The only vegan product that has protein is soybeans
and good luck chugging too much soybeans in your diet its not gonna end well.

Also you should realise b12 is super important, and when people get b12 deficiency from going vegan and not taking supplements they start to serious get mental and cognitive issues, most commonly they get 1st stage dementia and early onset psychosis, and its more common then youd think.

Legit i dont see any beneficial reason why a person would go vegan except for the whole ''murder unhumane killing'' narrative which is not a good enough reason imo.

it's not difficult to get a good amount of protein in with a vegan diet and soybeans aren't the only source of protein to vegans.

i didn't say that b12 wasn't important. i said that b12 deficiency is a non issue for vegans because it's very easy to deal with it using oral sprays or injections.

plant based diets are much much healthier and i'm fairly certain science backs up this claim

We're omnivores = meat & veg.
there are elements we require that're only available in red meat.
although some need it more than others'
brainfood is fat.
hence increased(amongst many other reasons)mental issues.

Написано от 4nic, 25.11.2018 at 02:37

Abundance of protein in meat

That's the easy option. Why not put an effort into basing your diet with empathy and compassion.
The strong are there to protect the weak in this world. We are given an option in life, do we take advantage of the inferior and exploit them, or do we give them a chance to live in freedom. Are we willing to take the challenge? To make that small sacrifice for the sake & wellbeing of others? Will you take the stand against what is wrong?
Going vegetarian/vegan is a step in the right direction. It shows fantastic character to do this.

Написано от Wheelo, 25.11.2018 at 17:08

Написано от 4nic, 25.11.2018 at 02:37

Abundance of protein in meat

That's the easy option. Why not put an effort into basing your diet with empathy and compassion.
The strong are there to protect the weak in this world. We are given an option in life, do we take advantage of the inferior and exploit them, or do we give them a chance to live in freedom. Are we willing to take the challenge? To make that small sacrifice for the sake & wellbeing of others? Will you take the stand against what is wrong?
Going vegetarian/vegan is a step in the right direction. It shows fantastic character to do this.

What do you want a medal?

Написано от Witch-Doctor, 25.11.2018 at 18:20

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I have it and wear it everyday!

Написано от Acquiesce, 23.11.2018 at 23:37

Написано от boywind2, 23.11.2018 at 22:57

Why is it morally okay to kill animals?

You can't convince these brainy individuals who don't believe in morality that it's morally wrong to kill animals. The first part is necessary for the second part. What you can do is make eating animals unfashionable, expensive, or otherwise socially prohibitive.

More of a side comment, but just since you raised this point, i am going to run the ball on a small tangent. Few really get how easy it is to make eating certain foods expensive/socially prohibitive (esp with 'sin taxes') - the problem i have is how notoriously unhealthy foods (such as potato chips) are the same price in my country (Canada) as they were in the early 80's - about 99c for 200g bag when on sale. Meanwhile the price of fruits and veggies have at minimum tripled in prices in that same period, despite huge gains in farming productivity and crop yields.

Not that i am a conspiracy nut, but this is fairly strong evidence that the commercial interests want the general population to be unhealthy.

Написано от brianwl, 27.11.2018 at 06:02

More of a side comment, but just since you raised this point, i am going to run the ball on a small tangent. Few really get how easy it is to make eating certain foods expensive/socially prohibitive (esp with 'sin taxes') - the problem i have is how notoriously unhealthy foods (such as potato chips) are the same price in my country (Canada) as they were in the early 80's - about 99c for 200g bag when on sale. Meanwhile the price of fruits and veggies have at minimum tripled in prices in that same period, despite huge gains in farming productivity and crop yields.

Not that i am a conspiracy nut, but this is fairly strong evidence that the commercial interests want the general population to be unhealthy.

This is definitely true, and if I were some kind vegan promoter it's the avenue I would pursue. But yeah, the meat/dairy industries etc... have lots of pull. It's not a conspiracy. Just look at the subsidies certain agricultural businesses get here in the US. Our whole culture around food is really poisonous as compared to say Japan's.

Написано от Wheelo, 25.11.2018 at 17:08

Написано от 4nic, 25.11.2018 at 02:37

Abundance of protein in meat

That's the easy option. Why not put an effort into basing your diet with empathy and compassion.
The strong are there to protect the weak in this world. We are given an option in life, do we take advantage of the inferior and exploit them, or do we give them a chance to live in freedom. Are we willing to take the challenge? To make that small sacrifice for the sake & wellbeing of others? Will you take the stand against what is wrong?
Going vegetarian/vegan is a step in the right direction. It shows fantastic character to do this.

The world is a cruel place wheelo, empathy and compassion will only work half the times, people dont hesitate to kill for 10 cents at some giving moments, and certainly animals but thats a sociological topic so lets not get into that.
We did the animals we domesticated for food a favor. Cow population around the world is over 1 billion, and assuming a small precentage of them live in free range theres really no reason to be empathetic to a succesfull species, you should instead be thinking about the endangered ones that we dont have use for, besides prize hunting.
Same story with chickens theres billions of chickens on the planet of which we spread the chicken gene 1000s of times more then what it would intialy spread on its own, talk about a success story huh. In turn we trim their numbers for our own food uses, i dont see a better alternative to this because there isnt any.

Написано от Acquiesce, 27.11.2018 at 09:42

Написано от brianwl, 27.11.2018 at 06:02

More of a side comment, but just since you raised this point, i am going to run the ball on a small tangent. Few really get how easy it is to make eating certain foods expensive/socially prohibitive (esp with 'sin taxes') - the problem i have is how notoriously unhealthy foods (such as potato chips) are the same price in my country (Canada) as they were in the early 80's - about 99c for 200g bag when on sale. Meanwhile the price of fruits and veggies have at minimum tripled in prices in that same period, despite huge gains in farming productivity and crop yields.

Not that i am a conspiracy nut, but this is fairly strong evidence that the commercial interests want the general population to be unhealthy.

This is definitely true, and if I were some kind vegan promoter it's the avenue I would pursue. But yeah, the meat/dairy industries etc... have lots of pull. It's not a conspiracy. Just look at the subsidies certain agricultural businesses get here in the US. Our whole culture around food is really poisonous as compared to say Japan's.

The evidence is all out there and not hard to find, this is true, the entire agricultural field is part of this as well the medical field.

unhealthy surroundings-> unhealthy food->unhealthy populace-> medical Interventions-> money farming and reasons to make more unhealthy products and more medications.

I dont think i know a guy whos over 40 and hasnt had any type of major medical issues or therapy at this point.

Написано от Wheelo, 25.11.2018 at 18:32

I have it and wear it everyday!

That must make you popular. You're right though. But veganism is silly. No reason you shouldn't eat dairy or eggs.

I don't think i can give up my steak,, burgers and chicken just yet though. Maybe if they someday develope substitutes that don't taste like shit. But hey I'm not aspiring towards moral enlightenment!