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The United States will remain the dominant global superpower throughout the 21st century, and that the history of the 21st century will consist mainly of attempts by other world powers to challenge American dominance.




Second Cold War

In the 2010s, the conflict between the US and Islamic fundamentalists will die down, and a second Cold War, less extensive and shorter than the first, will take place between the United States and Russia. It will be characterized by Russian attempts to expand its sphere of influence into Central and Eastern Europe, coupled with a buildup of Russian military capabilities. During this period, Russia's military will pose a regional challenge to the United States. The United States will become a close ally to some Central and Eastern European countries, all of whom will be dedicated to resisting Russian geopolitical threats during this period. The United States will probably become a close ally of some Eastern European countries: Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania. Around 2015, a Polish-led military alliance of countries in Eastern Europe will begin to form, the "Polish Bloc."




Russian and Chinese fragmentation

In the early 2020s, the New Cold War will end when the economic strain and political pressure on Russia, coupled with Russia's declining population, and poor infrastructure, cause the Federal government of Russia to completely collapse, much like the Dissolution of the Soviet Union. Other former Soviet Union countries will fragment as well.

Around this time, mainland China (PRC) will politically and culturally fragment as well. The rapid economic development of China since 1980 will cause internal pressures and inequalities in Chinese society. Regional tension in the PRC will grow between the prosperous coastal regions and the impoverished interior. The end result will be regional fragmentation of the country. Although China will remain formally united, the central government will gradually lose much of its real power, with the provinces becoming increasingly autonomous.

In the 2020s, the collapse of the Russian government and the fragmentation of mainland China will leave Eurasia in general chaos. Other powers will then move in to annex or establish spheres of influence in the area, and in many cases, regional leaders will secede. In Russia, Chechnya and other Muslim regions, as well as the Pacific Far East will become independent, Finland will annex Karelia, Romania will annex Moldova, Tibet will gain independence with help from India, Taiwan will extend its influence into China, while the United States, European powers, and Japan will re-create regional spheres of influence in mainland China.




New Powers Arise

In the 2020s and 2030s, three main powers will emerge in Eurasia: Turkey, Poland, and Japan. Initially supported by the United States, Turkey will expand its sphere of influence and become a regional power, much as it was during the time of the Ottoman Empire. The Turkish sphere of influence will extend into the Arab world, which will have increasingly fragmented by then, and north into Russia and other former Soviet Union countries. Israel will continue to be a powerful nation and will be the only country in the immediate region to remain outside the Turkish sphere of influence. However, Israel will be forced to come to an accommodation with Turkey due to Turkey's military and political power.

Meanwhile, Japan will expand its economic influence to regions of coastal China, the Russian Far East, and many Pacific Islands. Japan will change its foreign policy during this time period, becoming more geopolitically aggressive, beginning a major military buildup. Japan will build military strength capable of regionally projecting power across East Asia during this time.

Finally, Poland will continue to lead its military alliance, the "Polish Bloc." Poland and its allies will be a major power, much like the time of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Now possessing substantial military strength, Poland will expand its economic influence into what was formerly European Russia, and will begin to compete with Turkey for influence in the important economic region of the Volga River Valley. Around this time, space programs for military use will begin to emerge, and Japan and Turkey will increasingly begin to develop military capabilities in space.




Tensions build

At the beginning of this period, the United States will be allied with all three powers. By 2020, the United States will have been allied with Turkey and Japan for over 75 years. However, in the years after the end of the Second Cold War and collapse of Russia, the United States will gradually become uneasy as Turkey and Japan expand their military power and economic influence. Establishing regional spheres of influence, Turkey and Japan will begin to threaten American interests. The growth of Turkish and Japanese naval power, and their military activities in space will be particularly disturbing to the United States.

Japan and Turkey, having similar interests, will probably form an alliance near the end of this period, in an effort to counter the overwhelming global power of the United States. Germany and Mexico may possibly join this anti-United States coalition, although it is generally unlikely. In this coming confrontation, the United States will be allied with the "Polish Bloc," probably with a restabilized China, India, a reunified Korea, and the United Kingdom. By the 2040s, there will be global tension and competition between these two alliances.




Demographics change

Decades of low birthrates in developed countries, especially in Europe, will result in dramatic cultural, social, and political shifts through the first half of the 21st century. These countries will experience economic and social strain, caused by an increasingly smaller working age demographic and a rapidly aging population. As a result, in the decades of the 2020s and 2030s, Western nations will begin to compete for immigrants. In particular, the United States will depart from its policy of discouraging Mexican immigration, and will begin trying to entice foreigners - especially Mexicans - to immigrate to the United States.

However, later in the century, as robots begin phasing out jobs, massive unemployment will result, and the United States, suffering from a labor surplus, will move to limit immigration again.




Third World War

In the mid-21st century, around the year 2050, a Third World War will take place, between the United States, the "Polish Bloc," Britain, India, and China on one side, and Turkey and Japan on the other, with Germany and France entering the war in its late stages on the side of Turkey and Japan. According to the book, the war will probably be started by a coordinated Turkish-Japanese sneak attack against the United States and its allies. The attack will take place at a time in which the Americans will be taken completely off guard, and hypothesizes 5:00 p.m. on November 24, 2050 (Thanksgiving Day) as a potential time.

The Turkish-Japanese alliance's initial strike will cripple the military capabilities of the United States and its allies. The Turkish-Japanese alliance will then attempt to enter negotiations, demanding the United States accept the Turkish-Japanese's alliance's status as a fellow superpower. However, the United States will reject the terms and go to war, refusing to accept Turkish and Japanese hegemony over Eurasia. The Turkish-Japanese alliance will initially possess a military advantage after crippling the United States' military during its first strike. However, as the war progresses, the balance of power will begin to shift as the United States rebuilds and increases its military capabilities, and pioneers the use of new military technologies. The war will ultimately end with a victory by the United States and its allies.

The primary weapons of the war will be long-range hypersonic aircraft and infantrymen with highly sophisticated, powered body-armor. Control of space will be crucial over the course of the conflict, with space-based weapons systems and military bases on the Moon playing a significant role. The war will last about two or three years. The war will be a limited war, very different in its conduct than a total war, such as World War II of the 20th century. This will be due to the fact that all major powers involved in the conflict will possess nuclear weaponry, and that use of Precision Guided Munitions will minimize collateral damage. The war will cost somewhere around 500,000 lives.




Post War

Following the war, the United States will enjoy a new post-war boom that will begin in the 2050s following the war and last throughout the 2060s. The economic boom will come as a result of increased defense expenditures that lead to the development of new technologies, which will foster dramatic economic growth and increase American influence worldwide. In addition, the economic problems imposed by mass retirement of the baby boomers will fade away as the last of the boomers die.

The United States will continue to be militarily and politically dominant over the world, and will also cement its hegemony over space. In particular, it will work to keep other powers from developing military capabilities in space. Meanwhile, Turkey will retain the bulk of its sphere of influence, although its de facto empire will become increasingly restive as a result of defeat, while Japan will lose its own sphere of influence. Under the US-dictated treaty that will end World War III, military restrictions will be imposed on both Japan and Turkey, although in practice they will be unenforceable and "merely a gratuitous humiliation victors enjoy imposing on the vanquished".

Meanwhile, Poland's power will grow due to the expanded size of the Polish Bloc as a result of the war. Although its infrastructure and economy will have been shattered, and despite having suffered particularly heavy casualties, Poland will exploit the Polish Bloc's increased sphere of influence to rebuild its economy. The United States will begin to look at the Polish Bloc's growing strength as a potential future threat. To prevent Polish hegemony in Europe, the United States will ally with its former enemy Turkey, as well as Britain, to prevent Poland from dominating Europe, and will prevent Poland from making use of space for military purposes.




United States-Mexican conflict

North America will remain the center of gravity for the global economic and political system for at least a few more centuries following the 21st century. However, this does not guarantee that the United States will always dominate North America. In the decades following the war, starting in the 2070s, tensions between Mexico and the United States will rise. By this time, after decades of massive immigration, many parts of the United States, especially the South West, will become predominantly ethnically, culturally, and socially Mexican. During this period, many ethnic Mexicans living in the Southwestern United States, especially those living in the Mexican Cession, will increasingly shun assimilation into American culture, due to the fact that they will live in a predominantly Mexican region, as well as the close proximity of Mexico. These demographic changes will be irreversible. Most Mexicans in the US Southwest will identify as Mexicans rather than Americans, and their national loyalty will be to Mexico and not the United States. During this period, Mexico will experience substantial economic and population growth. By the end of the 21st century, Mexico's military and economic power will have grown tremendously, and it will be in a position to challenge the United States for dominance of North America. In addition to an insurgency by Mexican separatists, political, cultural, and military tensions between the United States and Mexico will rise, and generate into a full-blown confrontation.

An extended crisis between the United States and Mexico will ensue, one that the United States will be unable to resolve through the use of military force. Most of the world, wary of American dominance, will secretly hope for a Mexican victory, especially Poland and Brazil, but no other nation will directly interfere. The conflict will continue into the 22nd century.




Technological predictions

Among the technological predictions are the development of hypersonic aircraft and missiles, new space-based technology that will foster the development of military bases on the moon and manned military orbiting platforms ("Battle Stars"), and armored robotic battle suits for infantrymen that run on solar power. In addition, the earth will come to be powered by solar energy collected from satellites beaming the energy down in the form of radiation to receiving stations on earth, which will end dependence on hydrocarbons, and dramatic advances in robotics and genetic science will lead to a great increase in labor productivity, unemployment as robots phase out jobs, and significant increases in human longevity, including the possibility of a massive increase in longevity.
11.06.2015 - 04:42
I have been given GPS and satellite communication by the belief that the earth is close to spherical.

I have been given exactly nothing in terms of living comforts by the belief that the earth is close to flat.

Science is not about being right. Science is never right. Look at Newton and all the other scientists who turned out to be wrong. Science is never even meant to be right.

Science is about producing a useful model of the world. Given how I can write and submit an AtWar forum post via satellite internet four hundred kilometers from the closest city if I so felt like it, I'd say the spherical model of the world is pretty damn useful.

Science has done its job. It has produced a model of the world that so far has shown itself to be more useful than any other. Who cares what the shape of the earth actually is?
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11.06.2015 - 04:56
Написано от theFuehrer, 11.06.2015 at 01:26

Just stop... go and do it on your own. I have nothing to prove to you.

If you want to find the truth, you will seek.

LOL So... you don't know how to calculate it either? What a suprise...
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11.06.2015 - 05:00
Написано от International, 11.06.2015 at 04:42

Science is not about being right. Science is never right. Look at Newton and all the other scientists who turned out to be wrong. Science is never even meant to be right.

One can be wrong but that doesn't mean that next person can't be right. Once something is fully understood, right theories can be made. That doesn't mean that there are millions of right theories but enough of them are right or else the whole scientific system would collapse since many theories are based on scientific facts, believed to be right. You're confusing science with statistics, where everything is based on chances and they're always lower than a 100%.
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11.06.2015 - 05:10
Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 05:00

Написано от International, 11.06.2015 at 04:42

Science is not about being right. Science is never right. Look at Newton and all the other scientists who turned out to be wrong. Science is never even meant to be right.

One can be wrong but that doesn't mean that next person can't be right. Once something is fully understood, right theories can be made. That doesn't mean that there are millions of right theories but enough of them are right or else the whole scientific system would collapse since many theories are based on scientific facts, believed to be right. You're confusing science with statistics, where everything is based on chances and they're always lower than a 100%.

Have you heard of Plato's cave?
Or at least you have heard of Matrix (the movie)?

Science does not prove itself. There is really nothing that can actually be proven to certainty.
Scientific "facts" are called theories. The biggest reason why is that scientific "facts" are simply explanation that has not been demonstrated wrong... yet.

Newton's theory is wrong. But when I'm designing an underwater robot, using "force equals mass times acceleration" as my model of kinetics is really good enough. It's wrong, but it's good enough.

Einstein's theory of relativity might be wrong. It has not been demonstrated wrong... yet. But it hasn't been proven right either, simply because it cannot be proven right.

But honestly, if it's good enough to design the GPS system and satellite internet, it's good enough. Nobody really cares whether it is right.
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11.06.2015 - 05:20
Написано от International, 11.06.2015 at 05:10

Have you heard of Plato's cave?
Or at least you have heard of Matrix (the movie)?
Science does not prove itself. There is really nothing that can actually be proven to certainty.
Scientific "facts" are called theories. The biggest reason why is that scientific "facts" are simply explanation that has not been demonstrated wrong... yet.
Newton's theory is wrong. But when I'm designing an underwater robot, using "force equals mass times acceleration" as my model of kinetics is really good enough. It's wrong, but it's good enough.
Einstein's theory of relativity might be wrong. It has not been demonstrated wrong... yet. But it hasn't been proven right either, simply because it cannot be proven right.
But honestly, if it's good enough to design the GPS system and satellite internet, it's good enough. Nobody really cares whether it is right.

Plato's cave and Matrix only applies in case this world is a fucking dream. Believe what you want. I won't discuss about that.
Have you ever read a scientific article and their reasoning? I think not.
DO NOT CONFUSE FACTS WITH THEORIES!!!! BIG BANG IS A THEORY!! ATOMS ARE A FACT!!!
Newton's theory is not wrong, where do you get that from?? It's just not entirely accurate so it can't be applied directly to some cases, such as the universe as a whole. Einstein's theory is applied science, can't be proven wrong without an experiment that proves it wrong, which has never happened yet.
ANYWAY, science can be right! Do not generalize that much, you're not aware of the whole scientific world so do not talk without knowing.
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11.06.2015 - 07:35
Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 05:20

Plato's cave and Matrix only applies in case this world is a fucking dream. Believe what you want. I won't discuss about that.

Can you conclusively prove that the world is not a dream? No...

We base our lives on that assumption because "the world is not a dream" is a better model than "the world is a dream." Technically speaking, neither has been conclusively proven nor dis-proven.

Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 05:20

Have you ever read a scientific article and their reasoning? I think not.

I have, actually. My school is pretty heavy on the scientific method, so we had to read scientific journals for homework.
The reasoning, as I see it, is either
"The evidence is compatible with <insert theory name>, therefore there is no evidence that it is wrong," or
"The evidence is incompatible with <insert theory name>, therefore it may be incorrect. The actual evidence suggests <insert new theory>."

Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 05:20

DO NOT CONFUSE FACTS WITH THEORIES!!!! BIG BANG IS A THEORY!! ATOMS ARE A FACT!!!

Then why is it bloody well called the atomic theory?

Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 05:20

Newton's theory is not wrong, where do you get that from?? It's just not entirely accurate so it can't be applied directly to some cases, such as the universe as a whole. Einstein's theory is applied science, can't be proven wrong without an experiment that proves it wrong, which has never happened yet.

Newton's laws state that force is mass times acceleration.
Force is slightly more than mass times acceleration, according to the latest theory.

So, according to the latest theory, Newton's theory is wrong.

Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 05:20

ANYWAY, science can be right! Do not generalize that much, you're not aware of the whole scientific world so do not talk without knowing.

Science can be right. Unfortunately, it cannot be proven right nor is there any evidence to believe that it is right.

I am not aware of the whole scientific world. Strictly speaking, nor are you. That does not make my arguments any less valid. To argue thus borders on ad hominem fallacy.
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11.06.2015 - 07:58
Написано от International, 11.06.2015 at 07:35

Can you conclusively prove that the world is not a dream? No...

We base our lives on that assumption because "the world is not a dream" is a better model than "the world is a dream." Technically speaking, neither has been conclusively proven nor dis-proven.

Can you prove it is a dream? No. Then believe what you prefer. That's all.

Написано от International, 11.06.2015 at 07:35

I have, actually. My school is pretty heavy on the scientific method, so we had to read scientific journals for homework.
The reasoning, as I see it, is either
"The evidence is compatible with <insert theory name>, therefore there is no evidence that it is wrong," or
"The evidence is incompatible with <insert theory name>, therefore it may be incorrect. The actual evidence suggests <insert new theory>."

If that is actually all you've read... then I feel sorry for you. You've read a 1%, keep moving on.

Написано от International, 11.06.2015 at 07:35

Then why is it bloody well called the atomic theory?

Cause it started out as a theory. Now it's a fact that atoms exist. UNLESS, you somehow prove that all this is just a dream.

Написано от International, 11.06.2015 at 07:35

Newton's laws state that force is mass times acceleration.
Force is slightly more than mass times acceleration, according to the latest theory.

So, according to the latest theory, Newton's theory is wrong.

NOT WRONG, INACCURATE!! SIMPLIFIED!! SUMMARIZED!! FOR DUMMIES!! Call it as you want, it's not wrong, it just isn't accurate enough to fit every single event in the universe!! There's a really huge difference between wrong and inaccurate.... but I asume you won't understand it anyway so just skip this. Let's put it this way: would you use some super complex equation with integrals and other hard mathematical operations or would you rather use the simplified version which is a simple multiplication? Ofc, by summarizing you're making some minor mistakes, but that doesn't make the whole equation wrong!!

Написано от International, 11.06.2015 at 07:35

Science can be right. Unfortunately, it cannot be proven right nor is there any evidence to believe that it is right.

I am not aware of the whole scientific world. Strictly speaking, nor are you. That does not make my arguments any less valid. To argue thus borders on ad hominem fallacy.

It cannot be proven right? Are you expecting some all powerful god to confirm every single step you make? I don't get your point of view...
But I do know more about science than you, read more, learned more. Thus I can observe how you're generalizing more than you should! It's a valid argument since you're talking from ignorance.
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11.06.2015 - 08:40
Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 07:58

Can you prove it is a dream? No. Then believe what you prefer. That's all.

Since when is belief scientific?

Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 07:58

If that is actually all you've read... then I feel sorry for you. You've read a 1%, keep moving on.

Not much more to read in physics. Never seen a scientific paper that cannot be sorted into one of those two categories.

Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 07:58

Cause it started out as a theory. Now it's a fact that atoms exist. UNLESS, you somehow prove that all this is just a dream.

I don't have to prove anything, since I am merely stating that nothing is certain.

You're the one claiming that something is a fact. Ergo, on you lies to burden of proof.

Things that are neither proven nor disproven are not facts. Not being able to disprove the existence of the atom does not prove its existence.

Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 07:58

NOT WRONG, INACCURATE!! SIMPLIFIED!! SUMMARIZED!! FOR DUMMIES!! Call it as you want, it's not wrong, it just isn't accurate enough to fit every single event in the universe!! There's a really huge difference between wrong and inaccurate.... but I asume you won't understand it anyway so just skip this. Let's put it this way: would you use some super complex equation with integrals and other hard mathematical operations or would you rather use the simplified version which is a simple multiplication? Ofc, by summarizing you're making some minor mistakes, but that doesn't make the whole equation wrong!!

If it is inaccurate, then it is wrong.

Newton's law claims a falsehood. How else do you even define "wrong"? Force is not mass times acceleration.

Just because it's convenient/good enough/often used doesn't mean it's not wrong.

Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 07:58

It cannot be proven right? Are you expecting some all powerful god to confirm every single step you make? I don't get your point of view...
But I do know more about science than you, read more, learned more. Thus I can observe how you're generalizing more than you should! It's a valid argument since you're talking from ignorance.

Never be afraid to admit that you're not certain is my point of view.

There are very few certain things in life and scientific "facts" are not one of them.

Please, if you're so certain I'm speaking from ignorance, I'm sure you have the arguments with which to back up that claim, right?

Right?

P.S. I wish you studied under the same Physics teacher I did. He was a positive genius. In more ways than one.
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11.06.2015 - 09:05
Most people use the word 'theory' to mean an idea or hunch that someone has, but in science the word 'theory' refers to the way that we interpret facts.

Scientific facts stand ...interpretation might be wrong.
And a theory that hasn't been proven yet is called hypothesis. Big bang theory, despite its name is still a hypothesis.
Theory of Gravity on the other hand is a proven scientific fact ...despite flath earth idiots having a "hypothesis" that you don't fall when you jump, but the earth goes up.

Of course i love how all of the conspiracy theories and others who defy science ...have zero or retarded arguments, not to mention ad hoc "god did it" or other crap.
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11.06.2015 - 09:58
Ambassador Raul, you lost debate, now please stop spamming and trolling.
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11.06.2015 - 10:05
Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 04:56

Написано от theFuehrer, 11.06.2015 at 01:26

Just stop... go and do it on your own. I have nothing to prove to you.

If you want to find the truth, you will seek.

LOL So... you don't know how to calculate it either? What a suprise...


I do know how to calculate, why do you assume I don't know? Is it because you can't? Not everyone is as foolish as you are...

If you want to find out the distance for yourself, learn to calculate and measure it.

And yes, you have lost the debate, sit down and shut up Raul.
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11.06.2015 - 10:11
Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 05:20

Plato's cave and Matrix only applies in case this world is a fucking dream. Believe what you want. I won't discuss about that.


This guy doesn't want his illusions destroyed. I am not surprised.
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11.06.2015 - 10:15
People who win a debate ...don't have to say it or constantly claim they did so.
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11.06.2015 - 10:25
Написано от Goblin, 11.06.2015 at 10:15

People who win a debate ...don't have to say it or constantly claim they did so.


Cool story man.
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11.06.2015 - 10:51
Написано от theFuehrer, 11.06.2015 at 10:25

Cool story man.

So is your obsolete fairy tail ...say hello to the elephants and the turtle for me once you fall over the edge please.
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11.06.2015 - 10:55
Написано от Goblin, 11.06.2015 at 10:51

Написано от theFuehrer, 11.06.2015 at 10:25

Cool story man.

So is your obsolete fairy tail ...say hello to the elephants and the turtle for me once you fall over the edge please.


Are you finished yet?
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11.06.2015 - 11:54
Написано от International, 11.06.2015 at 08:40

Since when is belief scientific?

Who said such thing??? Don't put words into my mouth!! I just said you can believe what you want, that's all. If you don't want to believe that this is real, then I'd perfectly understand that you're trying to debate me without knowing much on the topic.

Написано от International, 11.06.2015 at 08:40

Not much more to read in physics. Never seen a scientific paper that cannot be sorted into one of those two categories.

Science = physics. That's all I needed to hear. Next subject pls. I'm now tired of you guys.
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11.06.2015 - 11:55
Написано от theFuehrer, 11.06.2015 at 10:05

I do know how to calculate, why do you assume I don't know? Is it because you can't? Not everyone is as foolish as you are...

Yes, I'm sure you can and I'm sure Tito knows how to do it as well right?? And no one else besides you guys. lol gtfo, talk too much, prove nothing.
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11.06.2015 - 12:00
Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 11:55

Написано от theFuehrer, 11.06.2015 at 10:05

I do know how to calculate, why do you assume I don't know? Is it because you can't? Not everyone is as foolish as you are...

Yes, I'm sure you can and I'm sure Tito knows how to do it as well right?? And no one else besides you guys. lol gtfo, talk too much, prove nothing.


Didn't I tell you to fuck off a long time ago? Don't come over here and try to tell me the same... fuck off now.

Learn to think on your own then get back to me.
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11.06.2015 - 12:06
Написано от theFuehrer, 11.06.2015 at 12:00

Didn't I tell you to fuck off a long time ago? Don't come over here and try to tell me the same... fuck off now.

Learn to think on your own then get back to me.

Who do you think you are to give me orders? My mum? all I know is that you talk too much but not give proper explanations... so that must mean you either don't know the answer or the answer is too complicated for you to understand it. Think, think more mate, but watch out for the edge!
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11.06.2015 - 12:28
Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 12:06

Написано от theFuehrer, 11.06.2015 at 12:00

Didn't I tell you to fuck off a long time ago? Don't come over here and try to tell me the same... fuck off now.

Learn to think on your own then get back to me.

Who do you think you are to give me orders? My mum? all I know is that you talk too much but not give proper explanations... so that must mean you either don't know the answer or the answer is too complicated for you to understand it. Think, think more mate, but watch out for the edge!


I am telling you to fuck off. Which means, I don't want to talk to you, so fuck off. I have explained to you many times, if you want to find out the truth you will look with your own two eyes. If I explain to you the procedure to find out the distances you would not believe me because you think every thing I am saying is false.

So why should I waste my time with you? Which is why I said I can assure you the distance, but if you don't believe me, go out and measure it on your own.

Now please, fuck off loser.
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11.06.2015 - 12:34
Написано от theFuehrer, 11.06.2015 at 12:28

I am telling you to fuck off. Which means, I don't want to talk to you, so fuck off. I have explained to you many times, if you want to find out the truth you will look with your own two eyes. If I explain to you the procedure to find out the distances you would not believe me because you think every thing I am saying is false.

Are you that desperate to be my mum and give me orders?
Yeah, np, you just can't explain it, it's ok.
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11.06.2015 - 12:36
Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 12:34

Написано от theFuehrer, 11.06.2015 at 12:28

I am telling you to fuck off. Which means, I don't want to talk to you, so fuck off. I have explained to you many times, if you want to find out the truth you will look with your own two eyes. If I explain to you the procedure to find out the distances you would not believe me because you think every thing I am saying is false.

Are you that desperate to be my mum and give me orders?
Yeah, np, you just can't explain it, it's ok.


When did I say I wanted to be your mum!? Do you not understand what fuck off means?

Yes, Raul, you are right. Will that make you fuck off finally?
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11.06.2015 - 12:59
Написано от 12gsh, 11.06.2015 at 12:47

Написано от 12gsh, 10.06.2015 at 20:40

Написано от theFuehrer, 10.06.2015 at 19:22

If you guys don't want to believe me, I can advice you this, go out and buy yourselves a sextant and measure how far and big the sun and moon are from wherever you're standing. I can assure you the sun and moon are about 32 miles in diameter and about 3000 miles up. The sun is not 92 million miles away like you've been told... go ahead and measure it yourselves, then get back to me.

Lol, if they were that close and that small, both of them (the moon and sun) would be sucked into earth's gravity, and would collide with earth. (and would do it in a matter of seconds)
Not only that, but it would also mean earth would have to be the center of our solar system, with all the planets orbitting earth, which is inconsistent with Copernicus's heliocentric solar system view, (which, by the way, has ALL scientific evidence on its side supporting the sun as the center of the solar system)
Having the earth as the center of our solar system would also result in 1 continuous (everlasting) season every year (another thing: we wouldn't even have the term "year" if the earth were the center of the solar system); instead, as I hope you have noticed, we have spring, summer, fall, and winter every year.



No need to reply to me twice. I saw your message but I've ignored it because there is no point in arguing here any more.

If you want to discuss this with me, private message me and i will answer your questions if you really want to know.

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11.06.2015 - 13:35
Написано от theFuehrer, 11.06.2015 at 12:36

When did I say I wanted to be your mum!? Do you not understand what fuck off means?

Yes, Raul, you are right. Will that make you fuck off finally?

Nope, I only see some guy trying to be tough... can't understand that
Hm.... nahhh.... you can continue raging if you like
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We're all people.

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11.06.2015 - 13:49
Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 13:35




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11.06.2015 - 13:54
Написано от theFuehrer, 11.06.2015 at 13:49





You can't get rid of me that easily
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Don't ever look down on someone unless you're helping him up. Don't ever treat someone else the way you wouldn't want others to treat you.
We're all people.

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11.06.2015 - 14:43
Написано от 12gsh, 11.06.2015 at 14:28

We can't force people to believe otherwise, we can only state the facts. if they continue to deny, it is pointless to continue persisting.

I realized that as soon as he started to insult and don't worry, I already gave up on him.
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Don't ever look down on someone unless you're helping him up. Don't ever treat someone else the way you wouldn't want others to treat you.
We're all people.

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11.06.2015 - 15:06
Написано от RaulPB, 11.06.2015 at 14:43

Написано от 12gsh, 11.06.2015 at 14:28

We can't force people to believe otherwise, we can only state the facts. if they continue to deny, it is pointless to continue persisting.

I realized that as soon as he started to insult and don't worry, I already gave up on him.


I gave up on you long ago, hence the reason I told you to fuck off.
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11.06.2015 - 15:12
Написано от 12gsh, 11.06.2015 at 14:26

Написано от theFuehrer, 11.06.2015 at 12:59



No need to reply to me twice. I saw your message but I've ignored it because there is no point in arguing here any more.

If you want to discuss this with me, private message me and i will answer your questions if you really want to know.



No, you misunderstand. I wasn't trying to find out, I was letting you know some things that prove your observations as being incorrect (or it may be that the equippment you used was faulty). If I were to PM you, I doubt very seriously I would get a response. If you do not see any valid proof in the facts I have stated, it is virtually impossible to get you to see the reality, One reason you ignored it was because if we continued to debate the facts I had stated, it would have been proved otherwise of your thinking. But, if you will not consider it, then I'm done here. You may believe what you want, I just thought I'd share that with you.


Ok, how can you prove anything of what you told me? That's right, you can't.
If you believe the sun and the moon is that far and that big/small. Go out and get your self a sextant and measure them, then get back to me. All the information you have is unverified, the only reason you believe that is because it is pushed onto you.

Answer me this, if we are going around the sun, after 6 months we should be on the other side of the sun, correct? So why isn't day time night and night time day after 6 months of traveling in space? Does that make sense? It may take some time for you to wrap your head around... but that is how it should work if we go around the sun like you claim we do.

Cheers mate.
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