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Humans are not the same as dogs.

And I'm not wrong...

I gave the source 2 times. http://wupa.wustl.edu/record_archive/1998/10-15-98/articles/races.html

Resorting to insults doesn't make your argument look any better either. "makes you look like more of a chump" "shitty argument"

15% is minor when we are talking about genetics. I am talking about genetics.

Написано от syrianforce, 16.08.2014 at 20:02

And I'm not wrong...

But you are. You were given multiple arguments and your response was to simply repeat the same argument already proven wrong.

Написано от syrianforce, 16.08.2014 at 20:02

Resorting to insults doesn't make your argument look any better either. "makes you look like more of a chump" "shitty argument"

It is when you are ignoring your opponents points and repeating your previous ones he already proved wrong.

Написано от syrianforce, 16.08.2014 at 20:02

15% is minor when we are talking about genetics. I am talking about genetics.

How is it minor? 5% separates humans and chimps. 2.5% separates races. How is that minor? What are you basing that assertion on? Some opinion piece? He specified species. From the perspective of someone studying species, yes, its minor. From a social policy standpoint, its a major cause of concern. Do you even know what separates species from the % of genetic make up? You literally did nothing but pick a number and make an arbitrary claim to it without describing why it is minor. I took a much smaller genetic % and compared it to the difference between humans and chimps. That is how you argue, that is how you debate.

Написано от syrianforce, 16.08.2014 at 20:02

Humans are not the same as dogs.

At no point did I claim we were. I quite clearly stated the fact they are the same specifies yet their variation is very large. The separate of racial groups among dogs was created artificially while the separation among humans was created environmentally, then pushed further by civilization. This is a very valid comparison against your argument.

You were asked a question. Despite dogs being the same species, are they equal? Your inability to answer this simple question shows you fully understand the comparison and seek to avoid it as it shows your argument to be nothing more than a emotionally backed opinion.

Here is a plate, with your arse on it, and I am handing it to you.

Написано от syrianforce, 16.08.2014 at 20:02

http://wupa.wustl.edu/record_archive/1998/10-15-98/articles/races.html

Opinion piece based upon an opinion piece. How is this even close to valid or scientific?

This pseudo science is hilarious.Look at this quote.
"Simple divisions are next to impossible to make scientifically"



Its totally impossible to classify these variations, guise... Colour is a social construct.

Again, you do not debate by using insults ...

and I'm barely doing any debating here..

Yes of course there are differences between humans, just how there are difference between dogs, etc.

Race does exist on the social level

btw my arse was with me the whole time

Написано от syrianforce, 16.08.2014 at 20:36

I have no argument, so ill back down while repeating the same arguments already proven wrong

Thought so. Stick to your circlejerks, mate. Its all you are good for.

I didnt say i had no argument i said im barely debating, you know tik-tok, you can do your own scientific research with dna and analyze dem sequences, but you seem pretty passionate about this (unlike me)

so what is a good definition for race in your opinion?

Написано от Skanderbeg, 17.08.2014 at 03:42

It is very different; we are collectivists, in everything we do we tend to gather large groups because humans are social beings. While west is individual, that's why we will always be different, skin color, or religion doesn't matter, its about culture.

Look at this slide. You specified political imprisonment and possible execution was the fate of those who tried to change the government in the West. The East is no different and is in actual fact, far worse. Don't play moral high grounds when you have none. The East is practically a Pit in comparison to the moral high ground of political execution and incarceration.

Написано от Skanderbeg, 17.08.2014 at 03:42

I can't see further than from artificially made crisis in finance, and I know they are making it on purpose so we can't see the background, there are so many events triggered and we can't follow them and understand them all. My opinion is they make those crisis so they can start martial laws for example, otherwise I can't explain 11,000 arrests in a week. That's totalitarian regime where you don't have freedom.

I agree. But race does have an issue here, aswell as culture. If the USA retained the laws and immigration controls it held in 1910, its crime would be almost non existent. Free association, low immigration from only Europe. That is what made America great. Post 1914 and post 1964 created laws and economic systems which created the state it exists in today.

Написано от Skanderbeg, 17.08.2014 at 03:42

Au contrair, communists are civilization liberators,

You literally said you would kill half a population of people for not accepting your domination. Your idea of Liberation is extermination. There is nothing about your ideology that liberates. Not a single nation that took up the banner of communism didn't take part in mass genocides or expulsions of its own population. Every single communist society fell apart other than the few that exist today.

Написано от Skanderbeg, 17.08.2014 at 03:42

capitalists are oppressors(colonization era, deadly wars waged by capitalists)

No, its human behavior. War, territorial takings and theft existed long before the word capitalism even existed. Communists took territory, they murdered and they colonized.

Написано от Skanderbeg, 17.08.2014 at 03:42

but you will always think we were bad guys, no one can change your opinion after 70 years of hardcore propaganda.

Says the guy with more doublethink than a Homosexual Socialist supporting Islamic Immigration.

Написано от Skanderbeg, 17.08.2014 at 03:42

USSR was peaceful society, crime-free, drug-free, I could walk down the street without a fear to be mugged although we had mongols, turks, whites, jews, arabs, gypsies. I dare you to walk on the street in US town(not downtown) after 9mp, see what's going to happen. Hell Americans even carry guns in public, that's wild west.

The number of 'minorities' within Western Russia were far, far, far below the number of minorities within America. Crime only began rapidly increasing after 1964 civil rights bills, inspired by your socialist ideals. Russia today has much higher crime rates than the USA.

Написано от Skanderbeg, 17.08.2014 at 03:42

Gulags are labor camps, not concentration camps, stop listening to western propaganda. We were smart enough not to pay to prisoner for his staying in jail from our tax, they had farms and factories so they can have income and maintain their prison. Even I worked in army farm and factory, so we don't spend much our taxes on military, that's not slavery, that's good thinking. That's why United States spend 700 billion on army every year while Soviet Union spent 100 billion and still was stronger than all other countries combined.

This literal justification for slavery by a claiming to liberate people.... Forcing people to work to death is still an incredibly fucked up thing to do to your own population. Its bad enough doing it to foreign populations but to your own on such a large scale? Only sick twisted communists do this.

Написано от Skanderbeg, 17.08.2014 at 03:49

Написано от Pheonixking929, 16.08.2014 at 19:42

That picture is false as capitalism doesnt reward success, they supress success so monopoly ca be maintained, thats why corruption is widespread on the west where rich bribe justice and politics so he can do business alone without competition and earn more and more while new start-up companies in big loans to start working and that end up in debt and bankrupcy.

Few years ago Obama changed law where citizens with income of $50,000 have to pay 50% tax while citizens with income of $1,000,000 have to pay 10% tax... Few weeks later Obama recieved check on million dollars from Goldman&Sachs ''donation'' for something. Americans even cheered and supported that, a perfect scam. Obama got bribe and changed law so millionaires can pay low tax while ordinary american have to pay high.

first off, no law was passed regarding people making over 50,000 dollars having to give up 50% for taxes. that would mean they would be well below the poverty line so you are completely wrong there. Secondly, Obama did not cut taxes for the rich, he raised them. Obama does not like the upper class, he is a socialist who has virtually nationalized healthcare. He feels the rich should be taxed more because they were successful. And no, american politics have their corruption just like any other government, but it's not as corrupt as you are saying. You are completely wrong and nothing more than some russian who wants the old days of the USSR to return because you're butt hurt your little empire is no more.

Написано от Skanderbeg, 17.08.2014 at 03:42

Написано от Tik-Tok, 16.08.2014 at 18:57

Because the East is so much different.

It is very different; we are collectivists, in everything we do we tend to gather large groups because humans are social beings. While west is individual, thats why we will always be different, skin color, or religion doesnt matter, its about culture.

Написано от Tik-Tok, 16.08.2014 at 18:57

Yes... but most of these crisis' are manufactured. The REAL crisis is the depreciation of social cohesion and the relationship between man and woman.

I cant see further than from artificially made crisis in finance, and i know they are making it on purpose so we cant see the background, there are so many events triggered and we cant follow them and understand them all. My opinion is they make those crisis so they can start martial laws for example, otherwise i cant explain 11,000 arrests in a week. Thats totalitarian regime where you dont have freedom.

Написано от Tik-Tok, 16.08.2014 at 18:57

You are a COMMUNIST. YOU ARE THE EXTREME.

Au contrair, communists are civilization liberators, capitalists are oppressors(colonization era, deadly wars waged by capitalists), but you will always think we were bad guys, no one can change your opinion after 70 years of hardcore propaganda.

Написано от Tik-Tok, 16.08.2014 at 18:57

No, the Soviets never hurt anyone. They were a peaceful society. Gulags are a Western lie.

USSR was peaceful society, crime-free, drug-free, i could walk down the street without a fear to be mugged although we had mongols, turks, whites, jews, arabs, gypsies. I dare you to walk on the street in US town(not downtown) after 9mp, see whats going to happen. Hell americans even carry guns in public, thats wild west.

Gulags are labor camps, not concentration camps, stop listening to western propaganda. We were smart enough not to pay to prisoner for his staying in jail from our tax, they had farms and factories so they can have income and maintain their prison. Even i worked in army farm and factory, so we dont spend much our taxes on military, thats not slavery, thats good thinking. Thats why United States spend 700 billion on army every year while Soviet Union spent 100 billion and still was stronger than all other countries combined.

>peaceful society
and yes, every american town becomes so dangerous after 9 pm the streets are completely empty..... glad to see your knowledge of america is superb. oh, and its not like wild west. you see, police officers are allowed to carry guns in public. it's their job. as for the average citizen, yes, you can get a permit to carry a gun and no, i dont walk onto a bus or a subway thinking "i wonder how many people on here are carrying a gun" because not over 10 percent of people, hell i;d say not over 5 percent carry a gun in public just for the point of carrying a gun on public. So again, you are wrong about american society.
Obviously, your sole purpose in life is to wait on the internet and continue to spread your ideology hoping for a communist revolution in russia like some sort of russian spring. fyi, that will never happen. Russian communism has failed. the USSR has collapsed. The only reason russia is intervening in ukraine is because Putin is a crony and wants to show off to the world. This protecting russian citizens is crap. It is simply a reason manufactured so that russia can intervene in any of the former soviet republics, just like how the warsaw pact gave russia permission to intervene in any other ssr if they wernt doing things the way moscow wanted them too. I'm done wasting my time with you.

Написано от Skanderbeg, 17.08.2014 at 05:42

Last time we had arrests on large scale like America was in 1922 and 1937. America had it in 1991, they even used live-rounds on civilian protesters, just like Ukraine is doing today, that's oppression of the regime. We had arrests in USSR but never used bullets to stop protesters, that's inhumane.

Soviets use to shoot people fleeing to Western Berlin. There was no such thing as protest in China or Russia, it was practically illegal and good luck being the leader of one. You'd get shot. You already claimed it was a good thing that Putin killed over 30 press reporters who spoke against him. Im always astonished by how you hold two completely opposing thoughts. But I know why now.

Написано от Skanderbeg, 17.08.2014 at 05:42

Wouldn't know. Im still thinking about great society of the 50's in America where even I would like to live, yet Africans were oppressed in that time on the south. I still remember that white bastard who didn't let black Americans to study college, he was school principal - later he was elected for senator. Democracy I love you!

You mean the time where black Americans had the greatest quality of life that any Subsaharan African had held in human history? A time where Blacks had low crime, full employment, big families and good economic development. What happened to post 60s Black Americans? Poverty, Crime, Abortion, Single parenthood. The Jim Crow period was a goddamn utopia in comparison to the modern day black community.

De segregation hurt both white and black communities.

Написано от Skanderbeg, 17.08.2014 at 05:42

So when its about communism, than its communist fault, but when its about capitalism, than 'it is human behavior you can't change it, that's normal'' ? Double standards. When something suits you you will defend it and justify it, while you will attack opposition that doesn't suits your interest.

Hilarious slide. When did I say capitalism was perfect? When did I say capitalism wasn't driven by the same human behavior? You attack capitalism for the very thigns communism does. You create a fictional moral high ground, point figners at your fictional enemy and claim your hill is better than theirs. Its bullshit.

Написано от Skanderbeg, 17.08.2014 at 05:42

Lets not bullshit each other. USSR had turks, cossacks, monglols, baltic nations, natives, Christians, Catholics, orthodox, Muslims, Buddhists, pagans, polytheists, atheists, they all lived in peace for 70 years and made a superpower. America had whites 85% 10% black and 5% Latin and they oppressed those black and Latin minority, they didn't had rights until 1960 and even today they don't have all rights like white does, while USSR had equal society and you can ask Turk or Mongol if white Russians oppressed them during soviet era.

What year? White America was not 85% in 1990, one of the peak years of violent crime. Russia has NEVER had a significant black minority. Western Russia has ALWAYS been a vast Russian supermajority that treats NonWhites like dirt. Violent crime in the USA was always committed by Black Americans. Pre 1964, it was far less. Equal society? HA HA. Tatars were deported from their homes and given some shithole segregated from the population. Russia always use to segregate people into areas.

No Equality in USA today? You are right. Whites have far less access to Education & government employment and are villified in their educational system.

Написано от Skanderbeg, 17.08.2014 at 05:42

Its not slavery if we force a man to work for free where he will likely die from exposure and malnutrition

This continual justification of enslaving YOUR OWN PEOPLE. Holy shit, what the fuck is wrong with you? Tito can be summed in a few words. "Its OK when we do it, but not when you do it."

Написано от Tik-Tok, 17.08.2014 at 09:53

"Its OK when we do it, but not when you do it."

Been saying this all along about him.

Написано от Skanderbeg, 17.08.2014 at 09:54

Написано от Pheonixking929, 17.08.2014 at 08:34

Obviously, your sole purpose in life is to wait on the internet and continue to spread your ideology hoping for a communist revolution in russia like some sort of russian spring.

Nope, my goal on the internet is to crush american dream of superiority over the world. United States trembled when someone mention mighty USSR, because there wasnt a field where USA could beat USSR, only lose. While in USSR no one gave a damn about USA, they did their own business.

Написано от Pheonixking929, 17.08.2014 at 08:34

Russian communism has failed.

Wrong, soviet communism failed, not russian. You fail again to label russia as communist only if thats a bad thing.

China continues to live as communist state, it still isnt strong as USSR in 1970 but it will be even stronger when time pass, and then we will see if they will be silent as USSR against USA. China might prove to be attacker and not defender. United States cannot risk to be defender and shake the stability of its economy and daily income.

Написано от Pheonixking929, 17.08.2014 at 08:34

The only reason russia is intervening in ukraine is because Putin is a crony and wants to show off to the world.

Wrong again, Russian Federation is passive, they dont intervene they just send humanitarian aid which is normal for normal states, i dont see others helping in ukraine. America sent instructors and advisers long ago to start this conflict in ukraine and help the nazis, so i guess they want to show off, not Putin.

Написано от Pheonixking929, 17.08.2014 at 08:34

This protecting russian citizens is crap.

Thanks for letting us know whats your opinion about russians. You dont care for human life when its russian? American propaganda taught you well.

oh please. i didnt say i didnt care about russians, i said this whole "genocide" against russian citizens is nothing more than a fabricated lie. and just to let you know, we dont fund ISIS, we are fighting them. did 0bama make a mistake when he completely left iraq? absolutely. are we funding isis? well, last i checked the bombs we;re dropping on them are exploding so i dont see how isis will be able to use them.

Написано от Skanderbeg, 17.08.2014 at 10:10

Why do you change my words and put fake quotes?

Says a man who falsificated, not by changing words but by creating an entire sentence "serbs should all be killed" , puting it as my quote and then even responding to his own falsificated quote, calling me a serb hater and a nazi.

Epic ...just epic.

> screams propaganda at everything, uses lies and propaganda

Написано от Goblin, 17.08.2014 at 11:07

Написано от Skanderbeg, 17.08.2014 at 10:10

Why do you change my words and put fake quotes?

Says a man who falsificated, not by changing words but by creating an entire sentence "serbs should all be killed" , puting it as my quote and then even responding to his own falsificated quote, calling me a serb hater and a nazi.

Epic ...just epic.

> screams propaganda at everything, uses lies and propaganda

support

This argument between Tik and Tito has got to be the most one sided debate I've ever seen

Tito being a hypocrite like always.

When he is told that russia is weak, he uses a picture of countries under the influence of soviet communism to show how strong russia is. But when he is told that communism was a failure, he quickly separates soviet communism from Russian communism.

It doesn't matter what branch of communism you use, is still poor's man ideology.

In the other hand....I don't see why he tries to argue about capitalism and American mistakes, when tik-tok is a national socialist and British.

It would be more logic to point out, how the British used brutal tactics to steal all the resources and gems from unarmed African tribes.

Actually soviet goverment admited that addiction to opiates and other drugs exists in the soviet union.

They said that the factor that kept that number lower then the one in USA is ...ALCOHOLISM xD and alcohol being number one drug of choice in soviet people.

Stable finances lead to economic collapse -___-

Написано от Skanderbeg, 18.08.2014 at 08:51

Написано от Goblin, 18.08.2014 at 08:11

Actually soviet goverment admited that addiction to opiates and other drugs exists in the soviet union.

Proof please.

Написано от Goblin, 18.08.2014 at 08:11

They said that the factor that kept that number lower then the one in USA is ...ALCOHOLISM xD and alcohol being number one drug of choice in soviet people.

Wouldnt know if alcohol and cigaretes is categorized with cocaine, heroine and marijuana as drug with addiction, but i consider it drug because it creates addictions and doesnt allow brain to function normal.

So i need to provide proof ...but you dont when you claim soviet union was drug free -___-

ok ...there a book Soviet studies and ...you can read a part of it http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/152045?uid=3738200&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21104536840907

And dude cmon ...cigarettes are one of most addictive legal drugs ...ranking as high as heroin. Some say it can have the same effects as heroin.

Marijuana ...i will repeat it too you again, because too you old folks it needs to be explained ...to get addicted phisicly to marijuana (THC) you would have to smoke impossible amounts of it every single day, like kilos of that shit <----you cant be phisicly addicted to marijuana

Alcohol is the same as heavy drugs if you get addicted ...and most people tend to be agressive when they get drunk ...

Marijuana on the other hand ...well lets just say if we droped "marijuana bombs" on the whole world ...we would have world wide peace for an hour

Riots?

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